Top 10 Villains of Shonen Jump

by **MvRaM** Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:05 pm

First Piccolo (Dragon Ball)
Raoh (Fist of the North Star)
Uchiha Itachi (Naruto)
Blackbeard (One Piece)
Yagami Light (Death Note)
Dio Brando (Jojo's Bizarre Adventure)
Shishio Makoto (Rurouni Kenshin)
Hisoka (Hunter X Hunter)
Toguro Brothers (Yu Yu Hakusho)
Arlong (One Piece)

by **Kisser** Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:13 pm

Itachi, Yagami, and Hisoka. They may be "villains", but they're all badass.

by **Bato** Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:46 pm

King Piccolo lol.. I can't wait to see him in anime since i'm rewatching evrything.

Light sounds strange since he is MC, but yeah he is a villain i guess.

But Itachi and Nagato, i can't see them as villains. I know Nagato isn't in this list, but their story is somewhat similiar. I just can't see Itachi as a villain when you know his story.

And Kisser, the big Toguro is also badass ^^

by **Ovyda** Mon Jul 01, 2013 9:06 pm

Shishio Makoto such great memories ^^

by **MvRaM** Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:02 am

I cannot say it better than this guy.

"Mass murdering his entire clan including children at the same age as Sasuke or younger who probably knew nothing about the hatred and also murdering those that married into the Uchiha clan as well unless they were all commiting incest with one another.

There was honestly no good reason to kill the Uchiha kids, he could have gave the same excuse to leave them alive as he did for sasuke.

so how are these not villainous actions? he may have killed the rebellion but he did so with many innocent lives in the process.

Itachi is a villain"

by **Bato** Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:29 am

Because he had no other choice and after hearing what Konoha forced upon him, i can't see him as a villain. You can better call Danzo the villain.

by **Ovyda** Tue Jul 02, 2013 12:32 pm

Whatever Itachi's reasons are, it doesn't change the fact that he killed many Konoha's people. Thus, he's a villain.

It's like saying Orochimaru isn't a villain too because he was former ninja of Konoha.

by **Bato** Tue Jul 02, 2013 1:41 pm

Nah Orochimaru is way different. But i do see where you guys are coming from. I just don't like seeing him as a bad person.

by **Ovyda** Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:10 pm

Villain =/= bad person. Some people are made to be villains, but not of their own will.

Like Light from DN. In my eyes he's not a villain, but what he's doing is making look like a villain. He's a good person actually, he wants to make the world without criminals, yet his actions are considered to be villainous and I agree with this.

by **MvRaM** Tue Jul 02, 2013 4:55 pm

How about this, lets just say Itachi was an antihero. There everything solved.

by **Ovyda** Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:36 pm

If start looking deeper into this, half of the list is not villains anymore.

Light and Itachi antihero.
Piccolo changes sides.
Hisoka is simply looking for strong opponents. He even helped Gon.
Arlong simply defends his own race. After all that stuff he had to go through I can totally understand him. Moreover, he was no direct threat to Luffy. Luffy came himself to Arlong. Arlong was just ruling that place without giving a shit about others. If we call him villain, then everyone in One Piece is a villain. Even Luffy, after all he goes against marines who are supposed to be "good guys". But those marines itself aren't as good as they claim... so I disagree with Arlong being a villain, because his case is the same as almost everyone else in OP.
Dio Brando, Toguro Brothers and Raoh I don't know them
So the only ones I do accept as true villains are Shisio and Blackbeard (he went against everyone literally besides his crewmates).

by **MvRaM** Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:44 pm

Ovyda wrote:If start looking deeper into this, half of the list is not villains anymore.

Light and Itachi antihero.
Piccolo changes sides.
Hisoka is simply looking for strong opponents. He even helped Gon.
Arlong simply defends his own race. After all that stuff he had to go through I can totally understand him. Moreover, he was no direct threat to Luffy. Luffy came himself to Arlong. Arlong was just ruling that place without giving a shit about others. If we call him villain, then everyone in One Piece is a villain. Even Luffy, after all he goes against marines who are supposed to be "good guys". But those marines itself aren't as good as they claim... so I disagree with Arlong being a villain, because his case is the same as almost everyone else in OP.
Dio Brando, Toguro Brothers and Raoh I don't know them
So the only ones I do accept as true villains are Shisio and Blackbeard (he went against everyone literally besides his crewmates).

I agree with everything you wrote except for Piccolo. They are talking about the original king Piccolo from Dragonball. Not the one we see at the end of Dragonball and the start of DBZ. Remember the Piccolo that got sealed under the ocean?

by **Bato** Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:07 pm

MvRaM wrote:
Ovyda wrote:If start looking deeper into this, half of the list is not villains anymore.

Light and Itachi antihero.
Piccolo changes sides.
Hisoka is simply looking for strong opponents. He even helped Gon.
Arlong simply defends his own race. After all that stuff he had to go through I can totally understand him. Moreover, he was no direct threat to Luffy. Luffy came himself to Arlong. Arlong was just ruling that place without giving a shit about others. If we call him villain, then everyone in One Piece is a villain. Even Luffy, after all he goes against marines who are supposed to be "good guys". But those marines itself aren't as good as they claim... so I disagree with Arlong being a villain, because his case is the same as almost everyone else in OP.
Dio Brando, Toguro Brothers and Raoh I don't know them
So the only ones I do accept as true villains are Shisio and Blackbeard (he went against everyone literally besides his crewmates).

I agree with everything you wrote except for Piccolo. They are talking about the original king Piccolo from Dragonball. Not the one we see at the end of Dragonball and the start of DBZ. Remember the Piccolo that got sealed under the ocean?

Piccolo is an offspring of King Piccolo, but didn't he transfer his mind into his ''child''?

And Toguro brothers, only read if you have seen Yu Yu Hakusho, or simply don't care.

Spoiler:

by **MvRaM** Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:10 pm

We are talking about the original king piccolo, forget about the other one for a second. Its even stated in the list I posted.

by **Bato** Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:15 pm

MvRaM wrote:We are talking about the original king piccolo, forget about the other one for a second. Its even stated in the list I posted.

That was who i was talking about too....

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http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Piccolo

by **MvRaM** Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:20 pm

Dude something wrong with your post. The first piccolo is the father of DBZ piccolo. The list is talking about the first piccolo aka King Piccolo not the son.

by **Bato** Tue Jul 02, 2013 7:20 pm

MvRaM wrote:Dude something wrong with your post. The first piccolo is the father of DBZ piccolo. The list is talking about the first piccolo aka King Piccolo not the son.

Maybe you should click the link and actually read what i copied. The copy failed but it's still readable. Piccolo is the reincarnation of King Piccolo, meaning they are pretty much the same person, especially with the message that King Piccolo gave when he gave birth to his reincarnation.

Doesn't really matter though, but they are the same person.

by **MvRaM** Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:54 pm

Bato wrote:
MvRaM wrote:Dude something wrong with your post. The first piccolo is the father of DBZ piccolo. The list is talking about the first piccolo aka King Piccolo not the son.

Maybe you should click the link and actually read what i copied. The copy failed but it's still readable. Piccolo is the reincarnation of King Piccolo, meaning they are pretty much the same person, especially with the message that King Piccolo gave when he gave birth to his reincarnation.

Doesn't really matter though, but they are the same person.

I did read what it said. To me it seems like you are missing the point of this thread. We are talking about the Original Piccolo not his son/reincarnation etc. Thats why I said to forget about the other piccolo for a second. I don't understand why you don't get that....

by **Bato** Tue Jul 02, 2013 9:25 pm

Bato wrote:Doesn't really matter though, but they are the same person.

I do understand what you mean and like i said, what i'm saying is not very important, but since he is reincarnated into his own son, King Piccolo eventually did turn good.

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